Mega Thread for Tesla Investors

Discussion in 'Tesla' started by TeslaInvestors, Sep 2, 2018.

  1. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    From the Los Angeles Times: "Short sellers so far are losing their bets against Elon Musk and Tesla"

    What an incredibly one-sided article! This presents the professional serial Tesla basher Mark B. Speigel as someone who's actually reasonable! Not a word here about the incredible volume of repeated Big Lies and outright FUD which he and other long-term Tesla shorters have posted about Tesla over the years on Reeking Alpha and other forums. And also in comments posted to InsideEVs, where Speigel's anti-Tesla trolling was so outrageous and so persistent that former IEVs chief editor Jay Cole once took him down a few pegs in a response comment, pointing out that Spiegel is very bad at his job of forecasting stock trends -- at least when it comes to Tesla's stock. Jay also demanded that Speigel put a disclaimer at the bottom of all future comments, revealing his "short" interest in Tesla. Not surprisingly, we didn't see many posts from Speigel after that.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2018
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  2. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I posted a significant update to the Martin Tripp (alleged saboteur / self-proclaimed whistleblower) story to the "Musk on Sabotage" thread.

  3. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Man, this thread has been quiet. :)
  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Perhaps it should be renamed:
    • "Short Seller Press Releases" - that way we can add the dodgy, SEC ignored, stories as a 'heads up.'
    • "SeekingAlpha, FOX, and CNBC Summaries" - this may be too specific since trademark names are used. Given where the vast majority of Tesla FUD comes from, it would work.
    • "Tesla Fear Uncertainty Doubt" - another approach that also encourages adding rumors and fantasies.
    Personally I prefer separate threads addressing specific positive and negative titles. Then you scan the forum using the titles as an index. Otherwise, buried in this thread, you kinda have to dig through the history. But this is my personal preference and I can also deal with a 'honey pot' thread. <grins>

    Bob Wilson
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  5. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Shhhh! Let the sleeping trolls lie.
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  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Oh, another thread title,"The Tesla Bridge To The Future" since trolls are found under a bridge:

    Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff."

    On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll , with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.

    So first of all came the youngest Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge.
    . . .

    Bob Wilson
  7. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Monday has typical counter cyclical compared to my gold holdings. Mostly it looked like 'profit taking'. Regardless, I'm waiting for the Q4 production numbers in January.

    Bob Wilson
  8. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Tesla was down $17.29 today, which was quite a swing, since it's been relatively quiet for a bit.

    But, the Dow was down 507.53, so that's probably at least part of it. If the market swings up tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised to see TSLA to claw a good chunk of this back.

    Guess we'll see in the morning.

    Sent from my SM-G955U using Inside EVs mobile app
  9. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I don't want to give the impression I have 'day trader' tendencies. My smallest time scale is quarter-to-quarter. Even this is too short compared to my typical trade history.

    Shorter day and weekly changes are 'water cooler' talk. <grins>

    Bob Wilson
  10. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I wasn't aware that being a day trader is a bad thing. "You... you... day trader, you!" Nah, the sting isn't there. ;)
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  11. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Looks like the stock started to recover after a bad start, but got hit late in the day. Probably to do with the news that Dan Kim, Head of Global Sales, Marketing & Delivery Operations, is leaving for Airbnb as the 4th delivery push is underway.
  12. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    The 2018 Q2 report had a statement to the effect that future sales projections are subject to 'the economy.' I don't remember seeing this boiler-plate in the Q3 report but it makes sense. This was one of the reasons I diversified by selling some TSLA to buy gold, KL:
    • Gold (KL) is my 'canary in the mine', an economy metric. When things go cattywomus, gold demand increases while others go down.
    • My rule of thumb, short of a significant capital or irreplaceable staff change:
      • KL+, TSLA+ -> inflation or an economy running hot
      • KL+, TSLA- -> real or imagined economy at risk of slow-down
      • KL-, TSLA+ -> Tesla reports a very nice quarterly report
      • KL-, TSLA- -> Time to leave TSLA, they screwed up or major bad news
    Stock traders vote with their wallets and strange as it may seem, financial news plays a role but should be treated with a grain of salt (or some cases, a salt-lick bock.)

    As I write this, I'm staying put until the Q4 production and financial reports. I'm not immune to the various reports but some have 'fuel cell' credibility.

    Bob Wilson
  13. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Bob Wilson
  14. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    Another day, another spontaneous Tesla car fire! None so far for the hydrogen cars.
    Who is paying for the hours and hours the fire fighters have to wait after dousing the fire?

    Whoa, 6 hours didn't do it.Time for Jelly Blown to increase taxes on all Californians for increased cost of fire departments, for firefighters waiting around for the Tealas to reignite after a flat tire. :(
    "@sccfiredept, “Six hours didn’t do it...” Fire crews spent hours waiting for the battery to cool in Los Gatos. The car was then taken to Campbell where it reignited at 10 p.m. Crews are expecting to work overnight. #abc7now #developing @Tesla"

    " 6 hours didn't do it. So we're going to be here all night." What a bummer that is. I hope, the car insurance or Tesla pays for all these.
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2018
  15. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    1. Where is the ‘contract’ that forces only one way to use the tunnel(s)? Bright engineering always look for better solutions and Musk continues to confound less imaginative skeptics.
    2. Let the fire department make resource requests, not someone who doesn’t have a dog in that fight. But having seen liquid fuel fires spread and still burning flow down slope, a battery fire remains less bad than gasoline. From the article:
    An employee of the tire shop said the vehicle was brought in on a tow truck, and he noticed a hissing sound coming from it, then within minutes, the vehicle was on fire.
    So was the car already damaged in an accident which required using a tow truck? It was a good thing that you failed to mention this as it reenforces the impression of your credibility.
    Your speculation about fuel cell fires suggests forbidding all others including gasoline, diesel, e.t.c. Go ahead and lead the charge. It would be a better use of your time than recent silly postings:

    Bob Wilson
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  16. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    Reposting my comment here that very likely, the IEV comment moderator will block to obstruct freedom of speech, as has been done most of the time for my past comments. The standards of IEV are commendable. As if shutting my mouth will make the issues go away.

    NHTSA needs to force these newbie battery car manufactures to not launch poorly made beta products on the roads, and beef up their quality control. How did these cars get 5* crash ratingif it can’t even tolerate a flat tire incident?
    I am also conerned who pays for overnight hours for th efirefighters, watching the car for 6 days. Hopefully Tesla or his insurance covers the costs. As a Santa Clara resident, I do have a beef with this. There are much better use of our tax dollars, like building a homeless shelter, keeping the libraries open longer/daily , etc.
  17. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    A reminder: our constitutionally-protected freedom of speech does not extend to private fora.
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  18. TeslaInvestors

    TeslaInvestors Active Member

    Tesla cuts prices in China. Elon again promises refund of tax credit to new buyers Hey Elon, how about that pesky $5000 refund you promiesd the performance model 3 buyers? Demand must be through the roof. :)
    Stock drops 7% on this news.

    Elon offered up the customer reject/demo cars for immediate delivery in 2018. Those are still available for 2018 delivery.
    Either there were thousands of reject cars, or the new orders are too few that teh website is still showing ready made inventory.
  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Is there anything sadder than someone still whining after the FUD party is over?

    Dear "TeslaInvestors": Tesla won. You and the other short-selling serial Tesla bashers lost.

    Get over it, dude.

  20. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member



    Horse-drawn buggies rarely have fires, either. Shall we all go back to using those instead?

    We taxpayers are. Presumably that includes you, unless you're one of the super-rich who uses a tax lawyer to avoid paying your fair share of taxes.

    But I guess you have no problem with fire fighters spending hours and hours fighting fires every time a gasoline tanker truck crashes and burns. :rolleyes: Last time I looked, Exxon and other Big Oil companies were not paying to support fire fighting service, either. Nor does any legacy auto maker help pay for the approx. 150,000 car fires per year in the U.S. alone.

    "A gasoline tanker and car collided on the W/B 134 Interchange to the N/B 5 and W/B 134 Freeways at Zoo Drive resulting in an explosion that closed the interchange for hours"

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