Quote From Joe Biden

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Recoil45, Apr 30, 2021.

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  1. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    Makes sense. And we followed this for the last 30 or so years. We spent billions doing it. The issue is, our enemies such as China have not, in fact they used our environmental consciousness against us and continue to do so while we embrace them. Please read the link I posted about their expansion of coal plants over the next many years. The Paris accord actually allows them to do this without penalty, all while we continue to spend billions for that last small percentage of pollution reduction.

    This crap is all backwards. Tariff the hell out of products from high polluting countries like China until they match our greeness. Tax the hell out of outsourced labor to countries like India until they match our greeness. Joining the Paris accord achieves nothing and puts us at an economic disadvantage. Even Biden acknowledges the US cannot meaningfully impact climate change (the point of this thread) which is a first for the democrat party and is 100% true.

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  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    The Paris Accord creates a forum so it isn't just the USA but other countries can join in. As for 'tariffs', they are just a Federal sales tax picked up by USA buyers, the small customers like you and me. That is why the Republicans like tariffs that tax the consumer.

    Bob Wilson
  4. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    You keep repeating that talking point but don't explain any further.

    Below is a quote from the previous link. Keep in mind China is part of the Paris Accord.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    How does the Paris accord hold China responsible for this?

    Coal remains at the heart of China’s flourishing economy. In 2019, 58 percent of the country’s total energy consumption came from coal, which helps explain why China accounts for 28 percent of all global CO2 emissions. And China continues to build coal-fired power plants at a rate that outpaces the rest of the world combined. In 2020, China brought 38.4 gigawatts of new coal-fired power into operation, more than three times what was brought on line everywhere else.

    A key risk to China maintaining a `moderately prosperous society’ remains a lack of energy to drive its economy.
    A total of 247 gigawatts of coal power is now in planning or development, nearly six times Germany’s entire coal-fired capacity. China has also proposed additional new coal plants that, if built, would generate 73.5 gigawatts of power, more than five times the 13.9 gigawatts proposed in the rest of the world combined. Last year, Chinese provinces granted construction approval to 47 gigawatts of coal power projects, more than three times the capacity permitted in 2019.

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  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Source: https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement

    Implementation of the Paris Agreement requires economic and social transformation, based on the best available science. The Paris Agreement works on a 5- year cycle of increasingly ambitious climate action carried out by countries. By 2020, countries submit their plans for climate action known as nationally determined contributions (NDCs).

    This is not a unilateral, 'USA going to force', function treaty. Rather it is a collaboration of countries which like the UN, means talking to achieve a common understanding and goal. In turn, this means negotiations and adapting to new knowledge. For example, you seem bent on yell-posting about China. Perhaps you missed this May 2021 article:

    Australian miners have continued shipping small amounts of coal to China since the start of the year despite an unofficial ban on their coal imports, and those shipments have not been cleared by Chinese customs to enter the country.

    Some analysts said miners were hoping that China would at least lift the ban for thermal coal ahead of the peak summer electricity-generation period, but there has been no indication that this may happen. Moreover, given the continued deterioration of communication channels between Beijing and Canberra, the prospects of any thawing in relations appear remote.

    Amid worsening bilateral ties, China unofficially banned Australian coal in October, leaving dozens of vessels waiting off its coast. Over the ensuing months, some docked to release crew members, though cargoes were never cleared, and some were redirected to other markets.

    But in February, sales data provided by analysts showed that 180,000 tonnes of coking coal departed from the port of Hay Point in Queensland, one of Australia’s key coal terminals, bound for China. Australian customs recorded that a similar-sized shipment was dispatched, but the port source was not identified, according to Wood Mackenzie Vesseltracker, which provides maritime data.
    . . .

    Regardless of cause, it has the effect of leaving Australian mined coal unburned in ships. Perhaps the effect you wanted to see?

    It is common for right-wingers to be brittle and inflexible when new knowledge comes around. They tend to insist on one truth while ignoring that 'the world changes.' It is why their claims are seen as little more than the propaganda of their self-selected, sources, ... and not trustable.

    Bob Wilson
  6. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    Your post is not a rebuttal to mine. Your post also has nothing to with being green or the Paris accord. It's a political dispute between China and Australia. Your move to label me as a right-winger because you don't have a rebuttal was expected. If you really want to be green, think for yourself and hold your politicians accountable.

    China is massively expanding coal power generation under the Paris accord with no repercussions and half the country cheers we rejoined it.

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  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Your intellectual failings are not my problem.

    Bob Wilson
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    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Source: NASA: Earth is trapping 'unprecedented' amount of heat, warming 'faster than expected'

    Since 2005, the amount of heat trapped by the Earth has roughly doubled, according to a new study by NASA and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration researchers.

    This is contributing to warming oceans, air, and land, the scientists write in the study, published this week in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. "The magnitude of the increase is unprecedented," NASA scientist and lead author of the study Norman Loeb told The Washington Post. "The Earth is warming faster than expected."

    Using satellite data, the researchers measured the planet's energy imbalance, which is the difference between how much energy the planet absorbs from the sun and how much is radiated back into space. If there is a positive imbalance, the Earth is absorbing more heat than it is losing; in 2005, there was a positive imbalance of about half a watt per square meter of energy from the sun, and in 2019, the positive imbalance was one watt per square meter, the Post reports.

    . . .

    Expected, this is bad.

    Bob Wilson

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