Was Toyota right? Lagging EV sales

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    My understanding is:
    • Tesla continues to grow production, sales, and manufacturing efficiency
    • Non-Tesla EVs in the USA are accumulating in dealer parking lots
      • Poor Price-Performance
      • CCS-1 charging
      • Dealers
    • Restrictions on $7500 tax credit to USA manufactured EVs
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  4. Bruce M.

    Bruce M. Well-Known Member

    Since Tesla doesn't have a conventional dealer network, comparisons are difficult, but Elon's outfit appears to be experiencing a buildup in unsold inventory as well.
     
  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    There are many interpretations for this graph from the article:
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    • Tesla runs special deals at the end of each quarter and 2023 ones were especially sweet.
    • Having potential Tesla buyers fill up on the June deals, there will be a rebound due to fewer wishful buyers.
    • It looks like inventory levels are returning to near normal levels.
    One frequent TeslaQ claim are there is 'no or low Tesla demand.' Using cherry picked data and wishful thinking, the next quarter, Tesla blows them away. Yet the TeslaQ crowd never goes back and corrects their earlier, failed claims.

    Use the Tesla quarterly report numbers and you'll be on solid ground.

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    Last edited: Jul 29, 2023
  6. Mark W

    Mark W Active Member

    CT
    You were the one that said you needed to correct my "misunderstandings". Hey, no issue, it's all good, I'm just trying to discuss the main issue which is - What is the real demand for EVs? The demand for Teslas has been high for many many years, especially after the release of the Model Y. Higher than they could keep up with until this year. I believe that the demand for non-Tesla EVs was artificially high last year because of the factors I mentioned previously. I also believe that now that most EVs are available to purchase without much wait, and Tesla gets the tax credit and lowered their prices, Tesla is dominating EV sales at the expense of Ford, Volkswagon, Kia and Hyundai.

    So, the question for the non-Tesla automakers is, how badly to people really want EVs? Hyundai came out with the very nice Ioniq 6, and had to discount it right away. I think there is decent demand for EVs, but I don't think there is huge demand for EVs over $50,000 in this market. Just really bad timing there. Because they were selling every EV they could make for a while, they had NO incentive to make less expensive EVs. I think they have to pivot to less expensive EVs now. I think if Tesla can come out with a $30,000 EV it will even be worse for the legacy guys.

    The tax credit is also critical. If you don't qualify, I don't know how you possibly compete with Tesla.

    I think GM's upcoming EV launches will be very telling. If they don't sell high volumes of Silverados, Blazer and Equinox EVs, it will be a bad sign for the overall EV market. I think there are enough people interested in EVs, I just don't think there are a large amount that are willing to pay a $10,000 premium to get an EV.

    These are just my opinions, I've been wrong many times before, what do you think?
     
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