"Frankly, I'd go with the Jaguar"

Discussion in 'I-Pace' started by David Green, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    My first EV experience was a 2013 Volt, drove it 28K miles in 3 years and only used 18 gallons of gas. My plan for I-Pace is to use the I-Pace for routes within its range, and then use our Lexus LX for routes longer then 300 mile round trips.
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  2. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber


    I try not to dismiss other BEV and plug-in hybrids except for specific cause based on personal experience or citing the source. Our first GM vehicle was a Chevette whose quality rhymes with Yugo (three clutch replacements in 100,000 miles.) We have a GMC G30 with a Coachman RV body. So I can sympathize with complaints about a manufacture's products based on personal history. Such complaints have more credibility if from direct experience or citing a 3d party (some may not be reliable.)

    Bob Wilson
  3. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Wow, you have very modern GM experience. People should certainly listen to your 40+ year old stories as pertinent to todays cars. In 3 years and 28K miles my Volt had 0 trips to the dealer, 0 maintenance, not even a tire rotation.. Nothing... My 2011 GMC pickup has 154K miles, never broke down, and only had an emissions system recall, and a fuel leak after replacing the fuel filter (dealers fault), and that truck town a 18K equipment trailer at least once a week, and does real work... So I guess the modern cars are slightly better then the Chevette. When I was a teenager I did see a Chevette frozen to the ground in cold weather, the engine did not have enough power to break the tires loose from the ice. haha!
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  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I suspect the GM bankruptcy helped clear out the attitudes and ones who needed to go.

    Bob Wilson
  5. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Definitely, and get rid of the killer union contracts.. The way the UAW had GM, and others over a barrel, their failure was certain. Mix those contracts with bad management decisions to cut back on R & D, and the rest is history... GM now spends a fortune on R & D and is leading the way in several technologies like Self driving, advanced light-weighting, crash structure, etc...
  6. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    If there is a tariff trade war what EU must do in response is not tax the EVs but pummel the ICE cars. That approach
    is the way to do it. This Trump trade war nonsense is about nothing but protecting the petrol scam at the expense of
    the American people- petrol is slavery.

    As for Jaguar I-Pace, Jaguar is not known for quality. And the design is clearly not as good as the Teslas, nor is the performance.
    The need to go pure electric an get rid of all hybrids and then they can be taken seriously. They also need to fix the back end
    on the I Pace and change the branding a bit, i pace is a lame name- not serious.
  7. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I inherited a Chevette from my father and drove it for awhile, too. It had a leaky or blown head gasket, and if you drove the car at more than ~45 MPH it would sling oil all over the inside of the engine compartment. (The cost for repairing a blown head gasket was as much or more than the value of the used car.) The latch for the folding driver's seat broke, too, meaning it wouldn't stay upright.

    I've seen that car on lists of the 10 worst cars of all time, and I think deservedly so. What a piece of crud!

    Sure, GM's quality has greatly improved since then. But some people have long memories! And that long period of low quality is a big part of why GM cars don't sell in Europe, so it's not like that has no relevance today.

  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Road racing:

    Bob Wilson
  9. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Pretty cool.. shows the Jaguar I-Pace beats the X100D, in 0-60, and braking, just like Jaguar claimed.... Maybe the Jaguar video was not so fake..
  10. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Another I-Pace review...
  11. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    So when will you get your I-Pace?

    Bob Wilson
  12. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Cool video, not just drag racing. Thanks, Bob! Altho it's still not an extended track/road race. And no indication of the trim level of the I-Pace; is there only a single option available for performance and/or battery pack size?

    So, we have:

    #1 Quarter mile drag race

    1. Tesla Model X P100D
    2. I-Pace
    3. Tesla Model X 100D

    #2 Acceleration from 50 MPH

    1. Tesla Model X P100D
    2. Tesla Model X 100D
    3. I-Pace

    #3 Braking test

    1-2: Tie: Tesla Model X P100D & I-Pace
    3: Tesla Model X 100D

  13. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    You're welcome.

    Many years ago 2010-2011, Edmunds had a series of "Fuel-Sipper Smackdown" articles where 3-4 cars drove over a three day period of country roads, Las Vegas city, and interstate back. Today, these video 'drag races' are the closest we're seeing. I'm not sure they are that informative but they are a hoot to watch.

    Since none of those cars come with a range extender engine, I'm really not interested. When Dad had his stroke, I was able to drive our 2003 Prius to the KU Medical Center and see him before he passed. So too did his last brother and other friends and relatives. It was a little over 750 miles cruising at 65 mph getting 52 MPG driven in ~14 hours including a cat-nap.

    Bob Wilson
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  14. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Tesla cannot run on a road course, not enough cooling, will overheat after a couple miles. just like every reviewer said, I-Pace can run on the track, because it has enough cooling... Tesla $130K car 8:50 on the Nurburgring... getting creamed by a 70K BMW M3 And the Tesla took 30% of its battery to go one lap... Whats the Wh/m

  15. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Bob, you have asked me that multiple times, Its still October 19th.
  16. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I didn't realize you're a track and gas power car fan:

    Given the Pike's Peak run, the VW I.D. R. can probably set a Nurburgring record.

    Bob Wilson
  17. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Bob, did you really post a video of a Tesla in a video game? haha! The car has bad handling even in the game... funny! I am a fan of most things that are high tech, and have driven many of the hot cars made today... I have worked on a few world record setting motorsports teams in both cars and boats. As for the car that did the pike peak hill climb, that was impressive, but when you throw millions of dollars at most any problem you can find a solution (point, that was a very well financed effort). The car that VW used to set the Pikes Peak record would need lots of modifications to run the Nurburgring, firstly much taller gearing as there are places on the Nurburgring if you are on a record pace you are over 180MPH, and I think it would need major drag reduction, as that was a car designed for downforce, on the Nurburgring you need balance (and better aerodynamics), besides NIO already set the record for a street legal car in an EV on the Nurburgring. One of the things I think is lame about Tesla, they never set any records or really show anything but fancy presentations with trick lights and loud music. If they are really so advanced, take the roadster out and see how it does at Pikes Peak, or the Nurburgring... Or take the semi out and do a cross country verified trip to show the abilities. Those kinds of things would shut a skeptic like me right up. But for now, the Germans, and Chinese have shown much more technical ability then Tesla in real life.

  18. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I didn't know but that explains why there is no other traffic. I think I found it: https://www.iracing.com/tracks/

    The heating of the Tesla induction motors should be greatly reduced with the permanent magnet motor(s) of the Model 3.

    As for the Pike's Peak car, it is tuned for thin atmosphere which means it can be tweaked for other 13 mi challenges . . . like Nurburgring. Or VW could just put it in a display case.

    Bob Wilson
  19. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    The Pikes Peak car was designed and built for 1 purpose, to prepare that specific car for the Nurburgring would be the same effort as building a new car from scratch. Its funny when a person with no racing experience tries to extrapolate about vehicle abilities you have absolutely no idea about. I am not a casual racer fan, I have been in design rooms, been in wind tunnels, tuned suspension on 4, and 7 post shakers, been at the Nurburgring when records were set. I have built, and tuned engines both piston and gas turbine engines for these efforts. So when I tell you your assessment is completely wrong about the VW car, that is coming from a long background of racing experience, and when you set records, you have to use vehicles that are absolutely optimized for the record you are going for. It is not just tuning, but fundamental design that make the difference in a Pikes Peak car and a Nurburgring record car. Not trying to be mean or pick on you specifically, but you talking race vehicles to me, is like me talking computer chips to you... I know my competency, and will not even suggest to know outside of that. :)~
  20. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    The Model S has been shown to run for 12 minutes on the Autobahn at top speed without overheating. And as I recall, that was the original Model S 85. The P100D, with its improved cooling systems, should be able to run for longer at that same speed of 125 MPH, which is the MS 85's top speed... almost exactly the I-Pace's top speed of 124. Of course, the MX P90D/P100D has a top speed of 155 MPH... which you very much want everyone to forget!

    Claiming the I-Pace is "better" because it is limited to a lower top speed... well, that's typical of the sort of ridiculous FUD we see from serial Tesla bashers.

    As I keep saying, there is plenty of room in the EV market for both the Tesla Model X and the Jaguar I-Pace.

    All the Tesla models, as well as the Jaguar I-Pace will increase the numbers of compelling EVs on the road. That's a win-win for every EV supporter! Well, at least every real EV supporter.

    Up the EV revolution!
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