Ford makes deal with Tesla to share its Supercharger network

What could the "middle ground" be? Does it include CCS 1, CHAdeMO, and Tesla (excuse me, NACS)?

 

Is it possible to use regular superchargers on any EVs with a Tesla socket, or is only approved ones?
I ask as I'm toying with building an EV, maybe with a Tesla socket and onboard charging system.

CCS is a often a PITA on my Mini. I just did a 350 mile road trip. All three CCS I used were being troublesome.
I'm glad that I wasn't the F150 owner glaring at 24kW from an EA station, though...

 

Check out the problems 'Rich Rebuilds' had with Tesla and his flood damaged, rebuilds. In effect, Tesla turned off his access to the SuperCharger network.

Bob Wilson

 

Watch Aptera. They're going with the Tesla NACS socket, but I haven't read anything about an actual deal regarding the use of Tesla's Superchargers. I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet; I'm sure it's not because Aptera hasn't asked.

 

I'd love to know what deal Ford made with Tesla to get Supercharger access.

 

CharIN may say that NACS isn't a standard, but parts of it are documented to adhere to established standards:



You can almost make the argument that NACS *is* CCS with a different physical connector.

 

If NACS is interchangeably CCS or Supercharger by protocol selection and adapters are passive pass-thru, as
the CCS charger--> Tesla car ones, then I should be able to carry my own adapter that goes the other way from
a NACS charger to my CCS car and have that [Tesla?] network understand what it's talking to. Without some
mysterious "magic dock" that for all I know is the same thing. And I should be able to sign up on the Tesla
network and use their services, app-free via tap-card equivalent [with inter-network roaming??] or
autocharge after I've supplied my VIN and MAC to their accessible account portal.

But no, Tesla is going to once again give the industry a big ol' FU finger and do their own thing in a vacuum
and shut out anyone who doesn't join their cult. I agree that CCS has its downsides as exhaustively pointed
out all over, but ffs did we learn NOTHING from the video-deck wars?! At least Tesla couldn't make this idiocy
fly in Europe.

_H*

 

Then enjoy the pleasures of CCS-1 charging.

I have an Open House in Aurburn Hills to attend June 20th and will be using Superchargers:

The actual charging times will be closer to 15-20 minutes limited by the 2019 Model 3. I'll leave early enough to avoid the worst of Nashville rush hour traffic. I'll arrive June 19 in the afternoon at a motel with free, L2 charging. I'll stay overnight June 20th and head home the next day.

If I take any diversions, I'll stay at hotel 'Tesla.'

Bob Wilson

 

Does that mean Honda has also joined the NACS party?

 

So what will you' all talk about tomorrow? <GRINS>

Bob Wilson

 

I meant since GM-Honda are in a partnership for EV production, do you think the Honda EVs will ship with CCS1?

 

I thought they came with hydrogen fuel sockets ... <SMILES>

When the Koreans join the party, game, set point.

The best thing is: in spite of the IRA mandate on CCS-1. Hummm, did the IRA condemn CCS-1 to obscurity?

Bob Wilson

 

Hmmm. Does Tesla encrypt it's communications?
If not, it should be too hard to spoof the responses needed to get superchargers to charge a CCS vehicle. Will still need a valid Tesla account though, which could be tricky without a Tesla?

 

It does sound impressive but without a Tesla plug ... no interest. In 11 days, I will drive to the Munro Open House with no worries about Supercharging on the way.

Bob Wilson