Cargo Ship full of Porsche and VW vehicles catches fire

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  1. It's still a developing story, but it appears a vehicle (likely an EV) caught fire in one of the ships cargo holds on its journey to the US for import.

    The ship was carrying many different model vehicles from VW, Porsche, and others.

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/44330/cargo-ship-full-of-porsches-and-vws-is-on-fire-and-adrift-in-the-atlantic
    https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/17/felicity-ace-cargo-ship-fire-porsche-volkswagen-cars/

     
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2022
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  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Sad but this is not the first time a car carrier ship has been lost.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  4. https://tflcar.com/2022/02/cargo-ship-fire-felicity-ace-vw-porsche-audi-bentley-news/
    https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/17/felicity-ace-cargo-ship-fire-porsche-volkswagen-cars/

     
  5. What a waste of chips...
     
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  6. The *very first* report I heard blamed a battery fire as the cause - when it appears that it's the ship, rather than the cargo, that is the source of the fire.

    Lotsa presumptive misinformation around this fire, to make EVs appear somehow dangerous.
     
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  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I recommend caution as preliminary reports are often wrong after a detailed investigation.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  9. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    Damn that sucks. I assume VW group insures their vehicles during shipping?

    Hope they get to the bottom of it soon.
     
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  10. Tony S

    Tony S Active Member

    According to Forbes on Monday:
    “A report in Britain’s Daily Mail quoted the Felicity Ace’s captain Joao Mendes Cabecas saying Saturday, lithium-ion batteries in the electric cars on board caught fire, and the blaze required specialist equipment to extinguish it. Cabecas was speaking at the Azores port of Hortas after being rescued with crew members from the blazing vessel.

    “The ship is burning from one end to the other. Everything is on fire about five meters above the water line,” the Daily Mail quoted him as saying.

    But the cause of the fire has yet to be officially confirmed.”
     
  11. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    That is Murdoch's "Daily Mail" and he has an anti-EV bias. IMHO, it makes sense to get the ship into a port and have a proper fire investigation. Yes, battery fires are pretty rough but so too are gasoline fires.

    It begs the question if the battery safety, interlocks were opened? I can envision loading the EVs that scraped the bottom of the battery pack and led to a short and eventual fire. The insurance company has a challenge but this was not the only big boat problem:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/world/europe/greece-ferry-fire-corfu.html

    Dead Body Is Pulled From Burning Ferry Off Greece, With 10 Still Missing

    At least one person was confirmed to have died on the Euroferry Olympia, which caught fire on Friday and is still ablaze near the island of Corfu. Hundreds of others have been rescued.
    . . .

    Saltwater ships are not immune from fire.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  13. cometguy

    cometguy New Member

    USA
  14. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Regardless of root cause, losing a car carrier along with a significant number, ~4,000, of vehicles is going to hurt.

    Bob Wilson
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2022
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  15. From the article you linked to "Although it will be months before the cause of the fire is known,..."
    Until there is an investigation, the source of the original fire is unknown.
     
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  16. cometguy

    cometguy New Member

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    Yes, but the crew did report that the fire/smoke appeared to have started on a car deck... So speculation that a BEV lithium-ion pack was the source appears most likely to be true... This will possibly jack up cross-oceanic shipping costs for BEVs, via increased charging by insurance and shipping companies, sadly...
     
  17. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Dang, leaving the USA market to USA manufacturers.

    Bob Wilson
     
  18. cometguy

    cometguy New Member

    USA
    Yes, and USA manufacturers have not been very good in recent decades. I like having choices, and foreign competition pressures US manufacturers to try to get out of complacency mode... Right now, what can you buy made by US manufacturers in the way of BEVs? Teslas, Mach-E, and Lucid Air ... not a whole lot else... I need more variety and choice...
     
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  19. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    <AHEM>President Biden praises GM for being the "EV leader."

    Bob Wilson
     
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  20. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    There were a lot of non-BEV on the ship as well. So it is premature to say that the battery is likely to be true - it is just a possibility at this point. I would also argue that the BEV were likely not at a high SOC, and that the cars weren't charging - both factors that were discussed in the Bolt and Kona fires.

    VW has said that they self-insure, so they eat the loss. And for what it is worth, VW is opening a plant in Chattanooga later this year, so there will be less of a need to ship ID.4 across the ocean.
     
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  21. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    <AHEM>VW already has a plant in Chattanooga. EVs are not yet part of their production line ... not that I care.

    Bob Wilson
     
  22. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    My understanding is VW has to shutdown some of their manufacturing lines because parts ordered from Ukraine are not coming. Worse, there is no way to pay for these parts thanks to the Russian invasion.

    Bob Wilson
     
  23. Ukraine is a source of raw material for battery manufacturing.
     
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