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Sandy Munro on the ID.4 problem(s)

Discussion in 'General' started by bwilson4web, Jul 7, 2021.

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  1. Jul 8, 2021 #21
    John Lumsden

    John Lumsden Active Member

    New Zealand - Kona EVs built 2018/06 and 2021/03
    Although you'll be pleased to see an MX5/Miata at the top of the list, other makes and models are high up too on this US Consumer Report article on reliability. and some makes are interestingly quite low. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/117493147/consumer-reports-the-10-most-and-least-reliable-cars-of-2020
     
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  2. Jul 8, 2021 #22
    bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Huntsville, AL
    In 2016, the Hyundai IONIQ hybrid was available and for sale in Huntsville. Before getting a 2017 Prius Prime, I test drove the IONIQ hybrid:
    • shift points - unlike the CVT Prius we'd driven from 2005, the IONIQ had a transmission with shift points. I started to feel motion sick in the test drive.
    • control laws - we soon discovered the control laws were biased toward engine usage. One could 'coast' in EV with the ICE off. But accelerate or normal driving in EV-only was impossible, something we regularly did for short distances in the Prius.
    This poor test drive experience left a 'bad taste' (motion sick.) So seeing advocacy of another Hyundai vehicle that is not even available outside of New York or California ... well it suggests a 'bait and switch', unethical attitude not based on engineering.

    So I won't be going out of my way to test drive a Hyundai Kona or is that Crapona. Lie to me and I will forgive but I will not forget.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  3. Jul 8, 2021 #23
    Domenick

    Domenick Administrator

    2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD
    Hi all! So, this thread go a little snippy in places so, I've edited some posts.

    Please respect the view points of other members, even when their opinions, like mine are frequently, wrong.
    Some of us like certain auto brands and dislike others. That's fine, but please don't paint owners of any brand with a broad brush. Stereotyping rarely leads in a positive direction.

    We're a diverse community bound together by ownership of electric vehicles, and like any community, there are bound to be interpersonal conflicts occasionally. If a particular member rubs you the wrong way, it's ok to use the ignore function. You can find that option on the popup you get when you click on their avatar.

    Thanks, everyone.
     
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  4. Jul 9, 2021 #24
    bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Huntsville, AL
    My apologies. Like Sandy Munro, I don't handle surprises that block my access to test a product. Hopefully, my pattern of citing sources somewhat mitigates our discussions and returns to facts and data.

    Bob Wilson
     
  5. Jul 9, 2021 #25
    marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    South Puget Sound

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  6. Jul 9, 2021 #26
    marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    South Puget Sound
    That's not a real manufacture funk. Get real!
     
  7. Jul 9, 2021 #27
    R P

    R P Well-Known Member

    Vancouver, BC, Canada 2023 Solterra Tech Pkg
    I didn't say it was. That is why I called it "my own". But my post called you out on your claim about Hyundai not having a frunk (by the manufacturer). The Ioniq 5 is their first BEV only EV model, and not surprising that previous ICE/BEVs did not. I said that in my reply to you. And you come back with this to justify your false statement??
     
  8. Jul 9, 2021 #28
    marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    South Puget Sound
    OK, calm down! I didn't see the tiny funk on the KIA EV6 when I was looking for some photos of the vehicle.

    The funk on the EV6 is tiny compared to the Ford and Tesla.

    I still can't find any photos of the Hyundai. Is it as tiny as the KIA EV6?
     
  9. Jul 9, 2021 #29
    R P

    R P Well-Known Member

    Vancouver, BC, Canada 2023 Solterra Tech Pkg
    You can do your own research, just like I do. Just don't post stuff that you don't what you are talking about.

    Since this thread, have been doing a little research on the ID.4. Looks like a pretty good car, all around. I can see why it is popular. Seems to be well priced, too, for what you get. But have yet to see one in person, so no final thoughts until I do, just like the Ioniq 5, which also looks good on paper, but will reserve final judgment when I see a live one. The latter, though, sounds like it may be a little pricey, although it really seems to have a lot of nice features, and the latest technology (fast charging with 800V).

    Like all cars, have to compare them in the same price category to see which is the better choice. And of course, different buyers have different needs/wants. The Kona was the perfect size/features/looks for what I was looking for at the time. Others might prefer a sedan (like an M3) or something a little bigger like the Nero. If I was buying today (I am not) I would certainly have a very close look at the ID.4 and the new Ioniq 5. Can't say at this time which one I would choose.

    But Sandy's tear downs are meaningless to me. He obviously favours Teslas, but totally ignores their flaws and missing features. That's not the type of biased information that I would rely on for my buying choices. And a frunk or not, not my priority in choosing a car...
     

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  10. Jul 9, 2021 #30
    bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Huntsville, AL
    No problem. I support and pay a monthly fee (my former magazine costs) for the Munro's teardown videos. I admire his deep dive into the hardware and engineering heuristics.

    Bob Wilson
     
  11. Jul 10, 2021 #31
    Clamps

    Clamps Active Member

    Stoneham, MA, USA, 2020 Kona Ultimate
    I believe the Kona Electric is available for sale in thirteen states, not just two.

    And seriously, Crapona, it’s actually a very nice car.
     
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