PHEV instead of BEV

Discussion in 'Clarity' started by PHEV Newbie, Dec 26, 2018.

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  1. Ken7

    Ken7 Active Member

    Sure, as long as other companies/car owners share the cost. Tesla spent a fortune on their SC network that was at least partially subsidized by owners, so if there is to be sharing with other non-Tesla vehicles, they too should have to pay. I know the cost of using the SC network was part of the cost I paid when I purchased my Model S.
     
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  3. MNSteve

    MNSteve Well-Known Member

    The environment with charging stations reminds me of the situation in the US with cellular vendors and cellular networks. The way that the laws were structured, each vendor built their own network. So you have metro areas with a Verizon tower down the street from an AT&T tower. In the boonies, you have one or the other, or nothing at all. This is a case where competition is not efficient; kind of like if you had two gas companies or two electric utilities laying down their infrastructure in the same geographic area. If we could move that redundant tower from the urban area into a rural area that has no coverage, everyone would be better off. That assumes, of course, that any customer can use the signal from any tower . . . an assumption that will never be true in today's regulatory world.

    I hope we don't get to the same situation with charging stations.
     
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  4. Elektra

    Elektra New Member

    I can’t open the article without a LA times subscription. Any other link?
     
  5. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    You've probably used up your free visits to the site. I have to frequently delete the New York Times cookies from my Chrome browser to reset the free viewing limit. If you don't want to fool around with cookies (I found latimes.com and www.latimes.com cookies), you might have success using a different browser if you have one.
     
  6. bfd

    bfd Active Member

    And I bet they're working as hard on you as they are on us to get out of our three-year-old Model S and into a brand-new one. Of course, we'd lose our lifetime free charging, but hey, we should still come in and see the difference in a brand-new Model S! Makes us laugh every time we get another e-mail, call or text. I'm almost certain these attempts will all come to a screeching halt come New Year's Day.
     
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  8. Kailani

    Kailani Member

    ATT and Verizon used different technologies fir their network GSM vs CDMA), though I don’t know if they require different repeaters, dishes, etc. Also, in the beginning they competed for best coverage/reliability to win customers. The buildout of the national mobile footprint was about building market share. Rural areas are the last piece of the puzzle and often require government support to make it a viable market. Very quickly independent tower companies sprang up. Tower operators usually can host more than one type of system and the carrier s focused on filling gaps. While in one level it makes sense to evenly parcel out the equipment we probably got a working system more quickly letting the market sort it out

    The challenge for charging companies will be to install systems in line with the evolving fast charge technologies (L3, etc). VW has one possible solution https://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-previews-mobile-fast-charging-station-for-electric-vehicles-131235.html. L2 charging will quickly go the way of the 8-track and Betamax.
     
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  9. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I believe the use of L2 charging at home will likely increase as the cost of home solar power decreases. Eventually, when the cost of home electrical storage systems also decreases and DC Fast Charging becomes feasible at home, L2 charging at home may decrease.
     
  10. Ken7

    Ken7 Active Member

    I haven’t gotten the full court press yet since mine is only a little over a year old. Not much in terms of improvement with the new ones.
     
  11. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it is a bad situation with CCS vs. CHAdeMO, like VHS vs. BetaMAX during the videotape format "wars". And with Tesla having its own incompatible charging protocol, it's even worse. Add China's proprietary charging protocol, and internationally it's a mess.

    I admit I don't at all understand why ATT and Verizon were able to develop independent cell phone protocols, and have both be commercially successful. It certainly seems to run counter to how communication technologies have been developed and marketed in the past.

    I keep hoping that either the various auto makers will get together and agree on a true EV charging standard, or else the government will step in and impose that on them. Unfortunately, I see very little movement in that direction in most countries.

    At least Germany (and perhaps some other EU countries?) are now requiring that new EV fast-charging stations all be equipped for CCS charging. I think CCS has the best shot at becoming the true universal charging protocol, if anybody does.

    In the end...

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