I wish the Clarity was more Voltish

Discussion in 'Clarity' started by Tim66, Apr 4, 2019.

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  1. LAF

    LAF Active Member

    I didn't think you can lock your keys in the car- if you try the car beeps. that is why there is no unlock in the app
     
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  3. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Note that the detent only works in ECON Mode. In NORMAL Mode and SPORT Mode, the ICE starts before the accelerator pedal reaches the click point. It might have been nice had the click point been adjustable for each mode, but at least the Clarity DOES give you a way to control ICE activation.

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  4. fotomoto

    fotomoto Active Member

    You should have added the qualifier "IMO" to this statement because without that it implies "fact, period" to many readers.

    GM tried to go the range extender route (like the BMW i3) with a strong EV and weak ICE as generator but in reality needed the ICE to help with propulsion too. As a former Volt owner, I gladly take the only slightly softer EV attributes of the Clarity over all the cons of the Volt. YMMV

    You know how you can tell a salesdroid isn't telling you the whole truth? Their lips move.


    I just hit 64 miles estimated this week! Mainly urban driving.

    Agreed. Easily the best feeling brakes of any PHEV, BEV, or HEV I've owned or driven.


    Yup, just ask the hypermiler crowd who live for this stuff.

    Coasting or better put, gliding, is positioning/feathering the pedal with there is no regen or propulsion happening and only air and rolling resistance are decreasing the vehicles speed. I assume this is when the Clarity's power meter display is at zero; need a scanguage or similar to verify. Prius displays are well known for showing this.

    That's not what he said. Regen isn't great in ultimate terms of efficient driving. Again, just ask the hypermiler crowd.

    Nope. Gliding (zero power flow in/out) is better for efficiency. If you have to slow down more quickly, then regen is MUCH better than friction braking.

    Yup. In terms of pedal travel, my C-Max Energi doesn't and in Auto or sometimes even in EV-only mode it can activate the ICE without warning. The detent is a smart feature and a good coaching aid.
     
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  5. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    No it wasn't wasted it was generated by work being done. That heat you say is wasted will be added to the entire universe of energy and be used in some fashion somewhere. Again, energy can't be destroyed. If there is no heat generated by normal friction while operating a vehicle then you aren't operating a vehicle you are sitting motionless in a non running machine. Even air conditioning must generate heat to function.
     
  6. JulianClarity

    JulianClarity Active Member

    I meant the heat is wasted to the driver, since it can't be used and it could have been avoided.
     
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  8. MPower

    MPower Well-Known Member

    Don't make Car groups the "last bastion of factual incorrectness". You may offend some of our active members who do not identify as "guys".
     
  9. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    What do people in your factual universe call manhole covers? You can use "car people", "car guys and gals", "car carbon based life forms" or whatever. I will continue to use the term "car guys" in my futile attempt to tilt against the windmill called political correctness. :p
     
  10. MPower

    MPower Well-Known Member

    You go, girl!
     
  11. KentuckyKen

    KentuckyKen Well-Known Member

    BTW, “carbon based life forms” discriminates against artificial intelligence. Shame on you, sir.
     
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  13. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    Don't you mean, "You go person?" I thought you social justice warriors aren't sexist.
     
  14. MPower

    MPower Well-Known Member

    Just going with the "car guy" vibe.
     
  15. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    Riiiight.
     
  16. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    I suggest you contact the Administrator immediately to determine why your ability to ignore threads had been removed. It very unfair that you are being forced to read posts that you do not like. Good luck.
     
  17. Yesterday I read a Twitter post that had selected lyrics from the song Woodstock:

    We are stardust, we are golden
    We are billion year old carbon
    And we got to get ourselves back to the garden...


    In spite of hearing the song a billion times, neither Karen nor I had ever made out that second line!
     
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  18. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    Not germane to the topic but it's like Rocket Man. Ask people what is the next line after, "Oh no no no I'm a rocket man" and you'll be amazed by what you'll hear.

    Tim
     
  19. ab13

    ab13 Active Member

    The Clarity phev is about the same size as a Toyota Camry, but yet larger on the inside, passenger and cargo space. The Camry has 0 plug in EV miles versus the 47 on the Clarity. That means Honda squeezed 47 EV miles into the same space as a Camry sized vehicle. There is no "free" space without removing some feature, the Volt took away the 5th passenger space and cargo space.

    Clarity PHEV, 4052 lbs
    Camry hybrid, 3472 lbs
    Accord hybrid, 3327 lbs
    Sonata PHEV, 3781lbs, 28 EV miles
    Fusion PHEV, 3986 lbs, 26 EV miles
    Chevy Volt, 3543 lbs

    Clarity has much greater range than competing size class vehicles Fusion and Sonata. The Accord hybrid is 700 lbs lighter than the Clarity even with about the same drive train, where the Clarity adds the large liquid cooled battery pack and onboard charger. However, the Clarity has a lot of aluminum parts to reduce weight. So the battery pack adds significant weight, but the space is the main issue. The Volt pack supports 149 HP output, but the current Clarity supports about 2/3 of 120 kW (based on looking at the Clarity EV specs), so a little over 107 hp. For it to support the 181 HP the EV motor can provide would mean almost a 70% increase in battery electrical current output.

    In weight comparison to similar sized vehicles it isn't too much greater, but that weight requires much greater battery output to drive in all EV.
     
  20. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    Jennifer, the other feature I liked about the Volt was if you unplug the charging cable while the car is locked the alarm sounds.
     
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  21. Robert_Alabama

    Robert_Alabama Well-Known Member

    It's funny how different our likes/dislikes can be. I hated the alarm going off when unplugging if you forgot to unlock the car. It was probably the first thing I disabled on the settings. I didn't see the possible deterrent value as helpful enough to put up with the aggravation.
     
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  22. Tim66

    Tim66 Active Member

    The reason I liked it is that I park my car outside (I'm restoring two cars in the garage) and run the cable under the garage door. I like the idea that if some unauthorized person unhooked the car the alarm would sound. It didn't take me long to get in the habit of unlocking the car befor unhooking the cable. You are right, the alarm sound was very annoying. If the car was parked in the garage I would have disabled the alarm as well. BTW the garage door does not rest on the cable just in case anyone wondered. One advantage of the Clarity over the Volt is that with the highly visible plastic nameplate on the charge door it is easier to notice it is open. I don't know how many times I drove off with the charge door open on the Volt.
     
  23. The Gadgeteer

    The Gadgeteer Active Member

    What we are missing in our Clarities is vast ability to customize features. There are some but not nearly to the level of the Volt.
     
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