Why does the German auto industry keep giving itself a pass?

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  1. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Take the Mercedes EQS. Mercedes is claiming that EQS will be profitable from the start and that EQS is a "from the ground up electric." But neither seem likely to the be the case. If it is a "from the ground up electric" where is the frunk? The only reason you don't do a frunk is because you can't at the moment. Its missing a frunk which is more than a convenient storage space but a critical safety feature that keeps a bunch of heavy metal in extraneous parts bin ICE junk from coming into the cabin with you. Mercedes is having to clearly reach into its ICE parts bin but claiming it will profitable from the start. That doesn't really jive and where is the truth and advertising and reporting for the public and investors on this? VW's ID4 also lacks a frunk and is hence also a parts bin hybrid with a safety issue in front impacts. If they aren't telling the truth on being from the ground up electric how do we know they are telling the truth on being profitable from the start. They can't know it will be profitable from the start just in principle because they can't know ahead of time how well it will sell. But they do know about whether they are misleading people on it being a truly clean design. Imagine Tesla is profitable MB can't admit they can't make EVs profitably, but which group of investors current or potential are they misleading with that and what about the public and the buying public?

    Where is the scandal on Taycan charging. Porsche just indefinitely downgraded Taycan charging down to 125kwh or something like that. No recall- no apology no media scandal not even any questioning. You'd have to wonder if they always knew this was coming. As it was this system they kept bragging about was never as quick as the Tesla charging. Yeah so slower than Tesla charging as in the Model 3 and Y and now slower than Model 3 in more and more races (Taycan Turbo S just got dominated in Japan in a Nurburgring length and style race,) and of course the Model 3 costs from 1/5 to about 2/3 the cost of a Taycan (Highest spec Model 3 vs lowest cut rate Taycan- top Model 3 is less than half the cost of the top Taycan) and Model 3 has more interior room, is smaller outside and goes 40% further and actually has a working auto pilot as for quality- Tesla beat Porsche in China with its Model 3s, Tesla beat everyone save for maybe 1 Chinese make on quality in recent surveys. But as I've mentioned VW is reported to be looking to spin off Porsche (Porsche just got outsold in Germany in the first quarter by Tesla- but Tesla also outsold Honda and Lexus and Germany and has about half of Toyota's share in Germany) and also as mentioned VW is only planning to make 1/30th the amount of batteries as Tesla through 2030 maybe it is because VW is focusing on the wrong format? It would be like VW planning to only make 1/30th the number of ICE engines as competitor during the height of the ICE era.

    Now for the shills that will whine about which archival brand specific folder this should go in because it undoes their shilling... should it be Daimler (soon to be Mercedes) or vol(T)swangen, or Porsche? Should it be Tesla? Its not really about Tesla? Should be be in all of them? Maybe it should be BMW with its new hybrid scandal with hybrids that are dirtier than straight gas or diesel cars?
     
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  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    The Munro videos and EPA metrics suggest traditional ICE design rules are being applied in current EV designs. They won't last when efficient alternatives show up on the market.

    Bob Wilson
     

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