Torque Pro on the Kona - overview and setup for interested owners

Discussion in 'Hyundai Kona Electric' started by KiwiME, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. Do you think the compressor is cutting in as opposed to just the circulating pumps? Could be working as a "chiller"
    Doesn't get that hot here- just curious.
  2. BlueKonaEV

    BlueKonaEV Well-Known Member

    I believe that it does, especially here in steamy Florida. I charged again 3 days ago at one of those 50kw chargers in 86 degree F/30 C and battery management came on during the last 5 minutes of charging. You could clearly hear it running.. When I finished charging and drove off, I switched to the screen where it breaks down the energy consumption and for the fraction of a second, battery management showed drawing over 10kw but instantly dropped to 0.6 kw or so. I don't see how just the water pump and fan could pull 10kw. I believe that the AC compressor was running at full blast to cool down the coolant. I don't know if the car actually does that but I don't see how the TMS would pull over 10kw otherwise.. I would like to be able to monitor TMS energy draw while DC fast charging on a 93+ F/34 C degree day.
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  3. That would be interesting to find out, might explain slightly higher than expected fast charging costs as well.
  4. BlueKonaEV

    BlueKonaEV Well-Known Member

    For sure.. The problem is that the dash only shows what the car receives but not what it actually uses.. For example, with TMS being off, the Torque Pro numbers on energy draw mirror what the car's dash says.. When TMS is active, the energy draw on Torque Pro shows a lower number than the one on the dash, so you can't really go by the dash numbers to know how much energy actually went to your battery.. That's why it would be fantastic if someone had PIDs for Torque Pro that would show energy use by component. Yesterday, I was charging at my home in the afternoon at 92 degrees F, 33C and TMS came on. I took the opportunity to hook up Torque Pro and my dash showed 7.4 to 7.5kwh while the car's energy draw showed 6.0 kwh. It usually shows 6.9 kwh with the TMS off, so I would assume that the TMS pulled 0.9 kwh but I can't say this for sure as I only get total draw numbers and not component specific.
  5. TRNJ

    TRNJ New Member

    [QUOTE = "Toolworker, post: 91094, membre: 18528"] Merci - ça marche.

    Apparemment, les préférences d'unités ne s'appliquent pas aux PID personnalisés, j'ai donc apporté cette modification pour obtenir MPH:

    006_Speedometer_Check, Speed ,, (((VAL {000_Drive Motor Speed 1} * 60) / (7.981 * 1.609))) / 484.4,0,100, mph,

    En branchant mon Android sur mon PC Windows, j'ai pu glisser-déposer le fichier. Mais le PC n'affiche pas le dossier .torque même si "show hidden" est sélectionné, j'ai donc dû y déplacer le fichier à l'aide d'une application File Manager. [/ QUOTE]
  6. TRNJ

    TRNJ New Member

    J'ai trouvé la vitesse de Kona sur le VMCU .
    "003_VMCU Speed Vehicle", "Speed", "0x2101", "(signé (o) * 256 + n) / 60", 0,180, "Km / h", "7E2", "", "", 1
  7. hieronymous

    hieronymous Member

    This produces data, but is incorrect, it under-reads by about 2km/h.
  8. SkookumPete

    SkookumPete Well-Known Member

    Does anyone know exactly what OpTime (operating time, I presume) encompasses? Mine reads 2340 hr, while the odometer reads 26,161 km. Now I admit that I've spent hours just fiddling with the controls and going nowhere, but there's no way my average speed has been 11 km/hr. Is it possible that OpTime includes charging?
  9. Unless you're a very slow driver, I suspect you are correct ...
  10. robxb

    robxb Active Member

    I have noticed a couple of things since the BMS update.

    First: It doesn't show Max Power & Max Regen in Torque, or the purpose-built, dash-mounted OBDII device anymore (I assume along with current power and regen...couldn't really look at my phone while driving for obvious reasons).

    Second: Total kWh charged has COMPLETELY RESET since the update, which is a huge bummer. Anyone have any idea if there's a way to get this back? I wasn't keeping logs.

    Third: As another member pointed out, it tops up the 12v battery multiple times per day, as opposed to once, to avoid all of those 12v batteries dying like many people have experienced.

    Anyone have any other observations?
  11. robxb

    robxb Active Member

    Cool. Sais-tu s'il y a une facon de mesurer le 0-100km/h avec cette info?
    Cool. Any idea if there's a way to measure the 0-100km/h with this info?
  12. Are you referring to CED and CED? These are the battery's 'odometers' and resetting those is a big deal, IMO.
  13. robxb

    robxb Active Member

    I am indeed, unfortunately. Unless I somehow managed to drive 12,000kms on only 352kWhs!

    It that my total Charge and Discharge is 352 and 358 kWhs, which equates to about 5.5 charges.., it reset :(.

    I would have also liked to see Max Torque and Max Regen, but those are gone.. Max Regen was useful for analyzing how temperature affected the efficiency of it!
  14. robxb

    robxb Active Member

    I have a couple of questions for our fellow torque users here. Can you please clarify following please?

    1. Why is there Motor RPM 1 and Motor RPM 2? There's just one motor, 201hp, correct?
    2. What does Voltage Difference indicate?
    3. What is Heater 2, which shows -86C? Anti-freeze temp?

    Thanks for any clarification :)
  15. robxb

    robxb Active Member

    Sorry for the repeat posts, but I figured it was best to do them this way as they are for different things.

    Not sure if anyone has shared this tip yet, but I installed DriveSync on my Android Device to automatically upload Torque Pro's log files to Google Drive. You can do one folder for free, or pay for the app to do unlimited folders. One folder is all I need! :D
  16. hieronymous

    hieronymous Member

    My CEC and CED have likewise been reset. I haven't had the car out yet to look at Max Torque, Max Regen.

    Kona PID's have no Hyundai validity, of course - they are just the result of some enthusiastic owner (probably), doing a little reverse engineering, because (s)he knows how. The labelling reflects what that person thought they were seeing - it may or may not be accurate.

    PID sets like these have been available for years for the Prius models, and they contain hundreds of PIDs. Included are many parameters that have multiple PIDs assigned, so that "Motor RPM 1" and "Motor RPM 2" choices reflect that multiple bus addresses were found for the SAME parameter, not that there are 2 motors. Sometimes all the alternatives give the same or different values, sometimes some return nothing. Best to just pick one likely PID if there is a choice, then attempt to independently validate it so it can be useful. Ignore any that return wildly improbable data!

    I can't even see a PID labelled Voltage Difference at the moment, but it would likely indicate the variance between Max Voltage and Min Voltage across all cells within the pack..

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