Model S lap of Laguna Seca was not an official record

Discussion in 'Model S' started by David Green, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. David Green

    David Green Active Member

    I see Tesla and Elon Musk are making more false claims about having set a record at Laguna Seca, but much like the Nurburgring he forgot to set up a record run with the track. And this is not a production car, so does not qualify for a production car lap record, Maybe some more work and they can beat the Camaro ZL1 1LE lap, wouldn't that be something if a racing prototype Tesla can beat a 70K car built by GM, and available at chevy dealers today?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/12/tes...prototype-with-3-motors-plaid-powertrain.html
     
  2. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, it may not have officially set a record, but it definitely broke some. BTW, it was Musk who said it set a record. The Tesla tweet just said "We lapped Laguna Seca @WeatherTechRcwy in 1:36.555 during advanced R&D testing of our Model S Plaid powertrain and chassis prototype (That’s a second faster than the record for a four-door sedan)."
     
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  3. David Green

    David Green Active Member


    Ya, of course it was just Elon (being Elon) lying or deceiving again! Yes, it did beat the time for the 4 year old and much cheaper Cadillac CTS-V by 1 second. The part to remember is that this is a prototype Tesla, not a production vehicle, I would guess GM has a few prototypes kicking around that would annihilate this record as the last gen CTS-V is nearing the end of its production run... I wonder how the current Tesla production Model S performance would do ?
     
  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Nice video:


    Bob Wilson
     
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  5. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    The Tesla time was 1:36.555, so closer to two seconds faster than the Cadillac CTS-V (1:38.52). It was about a second faster than the Jaguar XE SV Project 8 time (1:37.54) from a year ago.
     
  6. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    For not being a pro, I thought the driver did a pretty good job here.
     
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  7. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Would have thought avoiding the rumble strips was better form but I'm not a race car driver either.

    Any idea of what the big red button in the yellow block might be?

    Bob Wilson
     
  8. David Green

    David Green Active Member

    Most track records are set by chassis engineers, especially on the Nurburgring where the chassis engineers run hundreds of laps and most true racers only have a few laps per year. Knowing the track is the most important. At Laguna Seca Its Randy Pobst that holds most of the records, he really knows the line on that track. .

    Camaro ZL1 1LE driven by a chassis Engineer, and almost all of the Corvette records are Jim Mero who is another engineer.
     
  9. David Green

    David Green Active Member

    You need as much track width as possible in certain corners and using the rumble strips or even more is the best line

    The big red button is a kill switch all prototype cars have, even ice cars...
     
  10. David Green

    David Green Active Member


    Yes but the CTS-V was in street trim, and production tires, brakes and alignment settings, and was a random production model, acquired by motor tend, not a prototype, with carbon ceramic brakes, and race tires, and non production settings... Actually after the Lap, Randy Pobst said the car needs more brakes to to any faster, but power was great.
     
  11. David Green

    David Green Active Member


    Since Tesla is using a prototype, lets look at the Nurburgring Prototype record 6:05 set by VW in the ID-R , now that's a fast car... Think the 202X roadster will be able to do that?

     
  12. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    I think there's a little difference between a sedan prototype and a race car, but ok. I can't imagine a road car matching the ID.R on any timed run.
     
  13. David Green

    David Green Active Member

    Model S P can beat ID-R 0-60, so it should beat it on the Nurburgring, right? Haha! Thats a joke of course, but the typical Tesla fan analysis.
     

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