EV sales numbers

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  1. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Bravo for using a logarithmic graph! That's really the only way to use a graph to properly analyze exponential growth.

    #GeometryGeek

     
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  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Hybridcars.com posted their Dashboard sales report: https://www.hybridcars.com/june-2018-hybrid-cars-sales-dashboard/

    My four month summary: https://priuschat.com/threads/dashboard-june-2018-summary.197551/

    One problem is the quarterly report filed with the SEC which leads to some interesting problems for Hybridcars Dashboard. My solution:

    Another excellent Dashboard report by Jeff Cobb's Hybridcars:
    https://www.hybridcars.com/june-2018-hybrid-cars-sales-dashboard/


    Code:
    model         |06/15/18|05/15/18|04/15/18|03/15/18
    Model 3       |    5500|    6300|    3800|    3680
    Model 3 (adj) |   14289|    8573|    5715
    

    Because Tesla reports Model 3 sales on a quarterly basis, it is hard to understand the monthly production numbers. So I used a subset of a Fibonacci series, a type of exponential set, to model the effects of a learning curve and capital improvements. I used them to adjusted the Model 3 production numbers to make a reasonable guess of what the likely, monthly numbers were:

    • 2 - 20% * 28578 ~= 5715 (4/15/2018)
    • 3 - 30% * 28578 ~= 8573 (5/15/2018)
    • 5 - 50% * 28578 ~= 14289 (6/15/2018)
    The "Model 3 (adj)" row is my best guess of Model 3 production. If we take the June14289 / 4 ~= 3572, this still allows the last week of June to have ~5,000 Model 3 produced. Others may guess differently but hopefully showing their work.

    From Hybridcar.com:

    Code:
    Group           |  Total|  %
    Total Fuel Cell |    107|  0.01%
    Total Diesel    |   8770|  0.57%
    Total PHEV      |  10280|  0.67%
    Total BEV       |  11932|  0.77%
    Total Hybrid    |  31123|  2.02%
                    |       |
    Total Efficient |  62212|  4.04%
                    |       |
    Total Auto Sales|1540000|100.00%
    
    Bob Wilson
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2018
  4. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Hey Bob, I'd love to see you extrapolate the curve on the logarithmic graph you posted upstream, to the end of 2019. Of course we can't expect something so chaotic to follow any mathematical model precisely. But your logarithmic graph shows a surprising regularity in growth; one which I haven't seen elsewhere, so that suggests it may be a good method of prediction.

    But if you don't want to, no harm no foul; maybe I can take a stab at it myself, altho I'm used to using physical graph paper rather than graphing software, so I'm not sure if there are any good free software tools to use for displaying a logarithmic graph.

     
  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I had gotten MicroSoft Office that includes Excel as a side benefit from my employer. But eventually, MS Excel was not worth it and after retirement, too expensive. So I switched to OpenOffice. Not perfect, OpenOffice has not broken the default values like every version of MicroSoft Office seemed to take great delight.

    I switched to a log scale because the range of values meant the slope would became unusable. I could have trimmed the data into sub-sets (i.e., buckets) where the the Y-axis scale would be usable. Just I wanted to see the whole history and the log scale worked fine. But I had considered another approach, two different Y-axis scales.

    When the Prius dominated the efficient car market, I used a different scale on the second Y-axis. That might be usable but it could also be confusing.

    Bob Wilson
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2018
  6. winfield100

    winfield100 New Member

    Have you considered adding a column titled kWh of battery and kWh used?
    If you use the battery size from here
    http://evadc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/EVInfoSheet-20180403.pdf
    and use your data of # of vehicles sold in first 6 months
    then do a simple # of vehicles Times kWh of battery, I get a very startling pie graph like this, with Tesla using 70% of the batteries in kWh and probably 72-74% by end of July.
    upload_2018-7-29_8-59-13.png
     
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  8. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    I would really like to see a chart added to the monthly sales showing PHEV and BEV sales as a percentage of all light duty vehicle sales in the USA.
     
  9. I've passed your request on, but I suspect our staff is already pretty taxed working up the numbers and graphs we already feature.

    Some of the graphs in this post might be helpful to you, though.
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  10. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Thanks. August 2018: BEV = 1.81%, PHEV = 0.70%
    August 2018 YTD: BEV = 1.02%, PHEV = 0.71%
     
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  11. mrk

    mrk New Member

    Are worldwide 2018 sales in MONTHLY PLUG-IN SALES SCORECARD
    are including or excluding us sales ?

    thanks
     
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  13. The main data on the Monthly Plug-in Sales Scorecard is for the U.S., but there are estimated worldwide numbers at the bottom in red. Is there a particular territory or vehicle you are interested in? InsideEVs has a number of regular posts on sales for assorted territories and models, as well as this chart.
     
  14. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Although I would take the rather obvious assumption that the world does include the USA, you didn't actually answer his question.
     
  15. mrk

    mrk New Member

    exactly , I just wonder if this number include the us sales or not.
     
  16. Yes, they include U.S. sales.
     
  17. mrk

    mrk New Member

    thanks
     
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  18. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    The initial numbers show some September growth in other plug-ins. Not a trend, just a blip for now.

    Bob Wilson
     
  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    So can we now definitely say that the TM3 is not stealing sales from the MS or the MX? Or is that still a matter for serious debate? (When I say "serious" I mean "ignoring Tesla basher B.S.")

     
  20. Not in any significant way, no. I'm sure there are some people going for a Model 3 over a Model S, but the success of the Model 3 could also be bringing more awareness and/or confidence in the Model S and therefore more sales.
     
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  21. sunnywiz

    sunnywiz New Member

    Question: are the "EV comparision" numbers (Year, make, model, range, etc) and the sales numbers available via an API or as a flat file data set?

    I have a presentation that I give about EV's where I use this data -- I typed it in by hand for this fiddle: https://jsfiddle.net/sunnywiz/pqb35r4o/ but it would be awesome to do bigger and better things with this, such as adding inflation as a factor.

    Thanks
    Sunny
     
  22. I'm told they are not. Apologies.
     

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