Carlos Ghosn arrested

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  1. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    Ghosn reported to have received payment of seven million from JV.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-ghosn-netherlands/renault-nissans-ghosn-received-7-million-euros-from-dutch-jv-les-echos-idUSKCN1P70SY
     
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  3. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    Nikkei journalists seem adamant this is a coup.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Nissan-s-Ghosn-crisis/Nissan-Renault-alliance-sinks-deeper-into-disarray-without-Ghosn
     
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  4. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    He's being denied his medication?

    Does that include prescription drugs? If so, that's certainly inhumane!
     
  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    When I was in the Marine Corps stationed to Okinawa, you spent the first couple of days in a 'casual' company while they sorted out where you would go. Supervised by the CID (Criminal Investigation Division,) they also screened you for drugs or other contraband. One young Marine arrived and started showing off his weed ... so the CID called the Japanese authorities and off he went to Naha jail.

    Japanese jails are not a nice place. The guards only speak Japanese and failure to obey resulted in corporal punishment. Of course once the young man was arrested by the Japanese, he was marked AWOL by the Marines. Between Japanese and Marine Corps justice, he had an unhappy introduction to Okinawa.

    Later he showed up at the unit and due to his legal difficulties, assigned the functional equivalent of 'grass cutter' menial duties. But Okinawa was rife with STDs and he caught syphilis but failed to report to sick call until he came down with what looked like measles. Ordered to sick call, the Corps man began speaking a early Anglo-Saxon terms and gave himself a shot. Then he gave the young Marine a shot. Then everyone who had any contact with him had to report to sick call.

    The point is Japan has a different opinion about those arrested for criminal behavior and tolerance for corporal punishment in their jails. So I can believe Ghosn in an unhappy place.

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  6. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    Nissan in no rush to fill chairman position.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Nissan-s-Ghosn-crisis/Replacing-Ghosn-not-urgent-Nissan-CEO-says
     
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  8. gooki

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  9. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Nissan-s-Ghosn-crisis/Renault-set-to-replace-Ghosn-as-detention-drags-on
     
  10. gooki

    gooki Well-Known Member

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-ghosn-saikawa-renault/nissan-ceo-calls-for-renault-board-to-review-ghosn-findings-idUSKCN1P8211

    Because rather the raise the hard questions with Ghosn to confirm the findings, you chickened out and went to prosecutors with "half baked" evidence.

    If your evidence was solid they wouldn't have attempted to hold Ghosn in detention for 46 days on something so minor as incorrect disclosure of future income.

    This really should have been dealt with internally.

    1. Ghosn is this you future pay? Yes/no.

    If yes, this has significant legal risk to you and the company and must be changed now. New documents prepared and signed that day. Then progress to the no solution.

    If no, then you respond, the board is concerned about compensation and oversight. This must change and this is what we propose. If you do not agree or offer an agreeable alternative we will vote to have you removed.

    All I'm saying is if it looks like chicken **** back stabbing internal politics and smells like it too, then it probably is.
     
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  11. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Six months to sit in jail before trial! And presumably being harshly browbeaten and interrogated on a daily basis for the entire time, and denied his medicines.

    A older man who is apparently in ailing health, and losing weight, is being subjected to this harsh treatment. I find it appalling that no foreign embassy is pressuring Japan for his release.
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  13. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    That appears to sum up the situation fairly succinctly, at least if everything reported here is true.
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  14. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    No. Keep things in context.

    Nissan probably drew some activist type investors with an environmental bent and the same on the policy side.

    1. Look at Renault its has a Dieselgate

    2. Look at Tesla's products and results on EV

    3. Look at Nissan's compliance level stuff.

    4. Think about the financial impropriety

    5. Think about how Nissan could now be rolled up in the Dieselgate type stuff despite genuine intentions.

    6. Think about who would be blamed for this and quite probably rightly.

    7. Think about the sense of betrayal.

    8. Think about the disappointment on the part of the Japanese people. There should have been at least on environmentally conscious
    automaker to carry things forward in the present decade and that should have been Nissan, but now all things considered it looks
    like all that was sabotaged by the a fail most convincingly strategy.

    9. Look at what is happening with the VW execs and look at where a German Judge recently asked about being able to prosecute politicians- something that I am in favor of. Some say this is dangerous because it shuts discourse or could quell speech but when we see politicians or executives taking bribes to do the wrong thing they need a hard criminal justice response or law means nothing. If the US President is bought off even by the closest ally or becomes an asset that should be it. Even allowing any kind of lying or missinformation by public officials should be criminal. Its time for true transparency which by the way is the only way we will keep our privacy. Organizational secrecy and privacy are antithetical and loss of privacy means loss of all rights and become property because with loss of privacy you lose your practical voice for fear of being taken out of context and the you lose your voice for lack of use and then you lose your rights as you lose the platform to every be heard to defend yourself. A business last and society first approach is what is needed.
     
  15. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Oh, you're not trying hard enough, 101101. I'm sure that with a bit of effort, you can work the Illuminati, the Men in Black, the Trilateral Commission, and the CIA into your conspiracy theory. No doubt they are using Orbital Mind Control Lasers to control the actions of the Nissan Board of Directors.

     
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  16. gooki

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  17. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Color me confused. Are Renault and France just going to ignore the outrageous treatment of Ghosn here?

    Or is there more going on behind the scenes than I realize? Here's a conspiracy theory: Nissan and Renault wanted to form a merger, but Ghosn was seen as an obstacle to that, so Nissan came up with this way of kicking him out, and Renault accepts that as "collateral damage" necessary for the merger to happen.

    Hoping I'm wrong about that!

     
  18. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I wonder if that will affect his treatment? I get the impression that they wouldn't let up on him unless he resigns from his position at Nissan. B@stards!

     
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