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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by bwilson4web, Aug 23, 2020.

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  1. Impeachment is supposed to be for high crimes, but now is just used for political purposes. Trump and his family were cleared of any crimes related to the Mueller Russia investigation (which also turned out to be illegally initiated by Trump haters), yet was impeached by the Dem controlled house. With Clinton, he was impeached for actual crimes (perjury and lying to a Grand Jury). But both presidents were not not convicted by the Senate.

    I am amazed, though, how seemingly intelligent people will dutifully support the media narrative, no matter how false it may be. Seems that if enough people repeat it often enough, it will be believed. At least that is the strategy...

    Seems the real political power in America is the media. And they don't take kindly to anyone that challenges them.
     
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  3. papab

    papab Member

    Trump was not cleared, Mueller didn't think he had the authority to make charges. The Republican senate caved. Mueller ran into obstruction of justice by many of Trumps minions and Trump himself. Many were charged and convicted or plead guilty. The senate report concluded that Russia interfered in the election and it was welcomed by the Trump campaign.
    Where do you get your information if not from 'the media'? Why do you assume that those of us who think Trump is an incompetent crook get our information from biased media?
     
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  4. Maybe you didn't read the report carefully or watched Mueller testify to Congress. He clearly said they found no evidence (after 3+ years of investigation) of any collusion with the Russians by Trump, his campaign, or any member of his family. Since then of course we have learned that the FBI fraudulently (one FBI lawyer already charged and pleaded guilty) used a false Russian Dossier with the Fisa Court paid for by the Dems and Clinton campaign to spy on the Trump campaign. So yes, appears that maybe there was collusion with the Russians, but it was with the Dems.

    Also shifty Schiff (as Trump calls him) tried to collude with the Russians on a prank phone call. It was funny, but certainly showed how desperate the Dems were to get dirt on Trump.
    https://theblacksphere.net/2018/02/adam-schiff-pranked-8-minute-call-russians/
     
  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    No problem as after January 20, 2021, the courts can handle it.

    BTW, I've read as much of the released Mueller report as is available:
    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

    As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
    ...

    Yet there are some curious behaviors suggesting they had some communications. For example Flynn calling the Russian ambassador and that encrypted server in Trump's building.

    In the meanwhile, we can read:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

    To the best of my knowledge, the Steele dossier has not been used as evidence in convicting the Trump associates. They all got convicted by evidence of their own bad acts.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  6. Wow, you sure know all the conspiracy theories... haha.

    Anyway, I doubt all Americans are that stupid. Trump was leading in the polls just before covid and right after the all the best shots the Dems and the media could muster with the Russian hoax and then the BS impeachment process. Now they are giving it their all with blaming Trump for covid and the riots. Again, this will fail, as the people will see through that, too. In the end, people will look at how the policies going forward of the Dems/Biden and Repubs/Trump will affect them, and vote accordingly.
     
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  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I like to read the court transcripts. Flynn did it and got caught because we listen to all Russian communications. It was stupid of him to make the call and then deny it when the FBI asked.

    Bob Wilson
     
  9. He got caught in a gocha lie after he was just cleared by the FBI for his conversations. It is not a crime to talk to other countries incl rivals in his position. But they didn't like him because of course he was a loyal Trump supporter. In fact as we know a whole bunch of these top FBIers (former ones) were out to get Trump. Now they are facing their own investigation, and one is already charged and pleaded guilty.

    In any case, I am not trying to convince you or change you mind about anything. I know enough about you to know that would be futile. But it is interesting to actually hear and know of someone that actually believes everything the Dems and media tell them. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised... I don't like Trump either, as I mentioned previously, but sure don't believe all the Dem/media narratives, although I do understand them. They want power and will do anything to try and get it. And the TDS is also a great motivator, affecting some Repubs, too.
     
  10. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Not to worry. We've had a fair exchange of opinions and I remain equally baffled by your acceptance of right-wing, Russian supported, propaganda. Yet we saw that with the Soviet Union and other Communists systems. Heck, even the Germans didn't surrender until totally defeated in battle and the Japanese needed two atomic bombs and the Soviet Union attack in China.

    I've had blood-kin who shared your world view ... older, most of them are now in the ground. So I became adept at changing the subject and letting them live in their fantasy as long as it doesn't hurt me or mine.

    Bob Wilson
     

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