Ammunition shortage

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber



    The inverse of marksmanship is noise, smoke, and waste.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  3. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    There are lots of people who expect more unrest, no matter who will win the election.. If Biden/Harris win and they actually pass a AWB with mandatory buyback, you will have a nationwide situation like we had at the Bundy Standoff, but thousands of times the militia members.. Militias are forming all across the country right now to combat criminal thugs who riot and loot.. If Biden/Harris win and they are going to follow through on an AWB with mandatory buyback, you will have a bloodbath as many people won't give up their guns.
    If Trump wins, the rioting will continue and more and more militias will stand up to the thugs who loot and riot. Either way, we will likely need our guns and ammo soon.
    My county here in Florida has declared itself a "2nd amendment Sanctuary" and won't comply with any unconstitutional gun bans. Our Sheriff is on the side of the people and said that in case of gun bans, he will deputize every non felon citizen in the county so that they can legally keep their guns... I'm personally stocked up on ammo, especially my SHTF ammo which is 7.62 x 39.. I also have plenty of 7.62 x 25 for my CZ52... One of the few legal rounds that penetrate most soft body armor due to it's high velocity.. Got some mil surplus 7.62 x 25 from Romania, Bulgaria, Russia and new rounds from Yugoslavia.. Most people in the US are not even familiar with that round. As it's not a common round, you can still get it for a good price.. I stocked up during Obama.. I haven't bought guns or ammo for years.. I have enough even though some of my more hardcore gun owning friends don't think that there is such thing as enough... I'm just a regular gun owner in Polk County... There are guys here with over 100 guns.. I'm not kidding you... Almost everyone here in Polk County is armed to the teeth. 2 different Homeowners just killed home intruders within a week. You break into a home here in Polk county when someone is home, you most likely end up dead..
     
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  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    What a h*ll hole you live in.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  5. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    Not really bad at all.. Crime is relatively low in rural areas. It's often the bad guys that get shot.. We did have a triple homicide a couple of weeks ago.. They arrested the suspect within 3 days..
     
  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    In order to sell more weapons and ammunition, you have to share a h*ll-scape description of your life. You don't live in peace. You are surrounded by criminals who are out to take your life, property, and guns:
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    You do not have my sympathy because you've done it to yourself ... like these fools.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  8. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    Look at the news... Riots, Looting, crime.... It's always better to be safe rather than sorry. You have to be blind not to see the tensions in this country..
     
  9. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    "Crime":
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    "Riots":
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    You've made an excellent argument for black and minority people to be armed. We call that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  10. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    If crimes are happening, they are prosecuted.. In MOST cases, the persons who got shot are at fault. Almost in every single case, they RESISTED police... There are cases where this was not the case and the police officers are now in jail.. (i.e. Michael Slaeger)...
    Police officers are not exempt from prosecution. The cop that kneeled on George Floyd's neck is being prosecuted.. Crimes are being prosecuted, even if they are committed by cops. Look at the Michael Brown case.. According to BLACK witnesses, Michael Brown, who was TWICE the size and weight of the officer, charged at the officer and the officer defended himself.. I would have done the same..
    Except for "mistakes" by police which happen, I can't recall any instance where a suspect of any race was shot after they COOPERATED with police.. Most of those CRIMINALS who got shot by police has a long rap sheet and RESISTED police.. Again, other than "mistakes", I can't recall anybody being shot if they don't resist.
     
  11. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    You probably weren't in the USA in the 1960s when we had history of police abuse of authority. One example was killing Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner and the police riots in Birmingham, Chicago, and the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Even today, there are traffic stops for "Driving While Black" which is a thing (see Sandra Bland.)

    Our country has a 'white privileged' legacy that Donald Trump is running on. Unlike South Africa, we never had a 'truth and reconciliation commission'. So I have a Facebook friend who never got a clue. Most of my worse, blood kin, have already gone to their graves. But more disturbing are the foolish young men who travel from home to shoot and kill strangers. One went to Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church to kill nine people in a Bible study group. The shooter is already in prison but who taught him the vile beliefs that led to the killing?

    So this latest shooting of Jacob Blake, a point-blank shooting of seven rounds (and not fatal.) The officer could have holstered his weapon and tackled Blake to take him down. Lethal force should only be used when there is a lethal threat but when used, it should be lethal. So when I was in the Marines and pulled prisoner escort duty, we were trained in escalation procedures. This is not rocket science.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  13. papab

    papab Member

    And look at the current administration, headed by a corrupt, inept moron who has surrounded himself with people who have been convicted of white collar looting and crime. There is no respect for the law at the top, he pardons his cronies.
     
  14. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    I came to the US in 1997.. We don't live in the past. Racism will exist as long as there are different races.. Sad but true. What matters is that those who commit those racist crimes are being prosecuted and they are. There is bias in law enforcement but it is getting better, not worse.
    I had a co-worker (retired now) of Jamaican heritage. Like most at our office, he had a 6 figure salary and drove a nice, new Lexus.. He often got pulled over because cops thought that the car must've been stolen.. So, yes, I know that bias exists but there is not a single law on the books that treat anyone differently based on the color of their skin. The only laws that I see as "Racist" are the drug laws that Biden authored.. They targeted non violent drug crimes mostly committed by young blacks..
    I believe in equal justice, not racial or social justice. Throughout time, there will be less and less racism..
     
  15. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    All of Washington is Corrupt..If you'd investigate the people around Biden, Clinton etc, you would find crimes too. The only reason that they got to investigste Trump was because of a fake dossier. Some people have already pleaded guilty and more endictments will follow.
     
  16. papab

    papab Member

    All of Washington is not corrupt, I'm not saying they're perfect, but no one comes close to the corruption of Trump and his cronies.
     
  17. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Perhaps you might offer a bullet list of names, charges, and court cases?

    Bob Wilson
     
  18. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    Feel free to believe that. If they don't engage in "illegal" corruption, all of them engage in legal corruption called corporate campaign donations.. They all won't pass legislation that hurt their donors financially. They will all vote to get projects to the corporations that donated to their campaigns and not the ones that have the lowest price etc.. Washington is a SWAMP and unless we amend the constitution when it comes to campaign finance, the swamp will remain in place. The politicians in Washington do not legislate for the people but for their corporate donors who got them elected.. Why do you think that most people in congress end up being multi-millionaires?? Their salary is not all that great, especially for Washington where cost of living is high. Paid speeches for donors... No, it's not corruption.. their speeches really have that kind of value that they get paid for :-D .... It's all legalized corruption.. Again, you can believe what you want.. I'm personally certain that they are all corporate puppets who sell out their country to advance their political carreers.
     
  19. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    Did you read my post?? I said "IF YOU'D INVESTIGATE THEM".. Republicans so far have not created a FAKE dossier yet to investigate Democrats.. Trump and the people surrounding him would NOT have been investigated if it wasn't for a FAKE dossier.. Despite the fake dossier, they have still not found any high crimes on Trump...
     
  20. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I figured you don't have any Democrats. I couldn't find one either beyond:
    • Congressman Jefferson - November 13, 2009 - 13 years corruption
    I was hoping you had a handy list but apparently not. Still, your claim rings hollow when compared to the Trump crime family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)
    Source_2: https://www.axios.com/trump-associates-convicted-mueller-investigations-206295a1-5abc-4573-be25-4da19d9adcc9.html

    Why it matters: Stone is the seventh person to be convicted and sentenced for crimes unearthed by former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. His case has been at the heart of ongoing tensions between President Trump and his Justice Department.

    The big picture: Suspected criminal activity among Trump associates extends beyond Mueller’s Russia probe. Federal prosecutors are investigating the president's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani's personal business dealings in Ukraine.

    Bob Wilson
     
  21. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    As I said, the majority of those cases would have never been uncovered if it wasn't for the fake collusion investigation.. As I said, if you would be able to immediately have access to all e-mails and documents from politicians in Washington, you'd uncover many many crimes.. However, you can't just access those documents.. The people around Trump got caught because of a fake reason.. Most of the crimes consist of LYING to investigators, not any "collusion" activities.. If there would not have been the fake investigation, they wouldn't have given false statements.. I really don't want to defend anyone.. I'm just saying that you'd find crimes, especially financial and campaign finance crimes in most campaigns but the problem to uncover them is to look at the documents and communications which you can't do without a warrant.
    BTW, here is a comprehensive list of Politicians on both sides convicted of crimes...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes
     
  22. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Well too bad as they were convicted on evidence brought into court. Add to that the impeachment of Donald Trump. The evidence is clear and unambiguous.

    Did you ever read the Articles of Impeachment?

    Bob Wilson
     
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  23. FloridaSun

    FloridaSun Well-Known Member

    The articles were BS. First article was complete and utter BS.. Contempt of Congress.. Trump used his constitutional executive privilege. Nothing illegal about that. Abuse of power was also BS. Trump did LESS abuse of power with Ukraine than Biden as VP who actually used quid quo pro on the Ukranians to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired.. BTW, Hunter Biden is not running for President. There seems to be abuse of power by Biden who used his position to get his son a high paying position for which he was not qualified for. Remember how the Obama administration fined JP Morgan for hiring kids of Chinese politicians who were not qualified for the job... just like Biden's son.
     

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