SPARK EV crushed all over again

Discussion in 'General Motors' started by jim, Feb 5, 2018.

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  1. jim

    jim Active Member

    When Chevy came out with the higher priced longer range Bolt it stopped making the affordable 100 mile range SPARK EV. It was about 1/3 the cost and about 1/3 the range. It's one of my favorite Electrics but is no longer available.

    That's very similar to the famous EV1 that was stopped and since it was only leased they took them all back and crushed them. Lucky the Chevy S-10 EV1 drive train pickup truck had been sold to mostly Utility companies and survived. The controller and batteries were the same but the chassis and body were of course different. So why crush anything?

    I think Chevy could have had a lot more sales if they had both the SPARK and Bolt. But as we can see by the numbers of Bolts sold they only need to meet there 25,000 requirement and made about 23,500. What will 2018 bring from Chevy?
     
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  2. JyChevyVolt

    JyChevyVolt Active Member

    Stop spreading FUD. No spark EV has been crushed.
     
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  3. jim

    jim Active Member

    It's LIKE it was Crushed. They won't make any more. That is very SIMILAR
     
  4. JyChevyVolt

    JyChevyVolt Active Member

    Go buy a used spark EV. There's thousands for under $10K.
     
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  5. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    I loved the Spark EV too but the comparison is not even close!

    1 they sold you (and me) the Spark EV.

    2 they made over 10,000 Spark EVs and less than 2,000 EV1s.

    3 They built the Spark EV out of an existing vehicle similar to the S10 pickup. That made it much easier for them to continue to provide service on the vehicles. The EV1 was pretty much custom from top to bottom.

    4 Dealers nationwide were certified to work on the Spark EV so anyone, anywhere in the US can buy one and can call up their dealer to see if they can work on the car.

    5 The EV1 was 100% a test vehicle that then became a compliance vehicle out of necessity... it wasn’t originally designed to go into production honestly. CARB literally used the Impact concept car as proof that a ZEV requirement was possible. But the EV1 was a tiny 2 seater that cost over 100k to build. That is not even counting R&D costs! It would have never been successful if they tried selling it at cost.

    So enjoy your Spark EV! Its a great car! But comparing it to the EV1 is simply not correct.
     
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  6. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    I know you’re upset that the Spark EV is gone. I don’t blame you, it was an amazing little car.

    Canceling the ELR wasn’t like they ‘crushed’ the ELR. Tesla made 1/4 as many first gen Roadsters as GM made of the Spark EV. That doesn’t mean it was ‘like Tesla crushed the roadster’ just because they stopped production.

    And who knows, like the roadster, the Spark EV may come back some day!

    The gas Spark is one of the best selling car in its class in the US... and it sells very well world wide. Including in China! There are dozens of GM EVs coming to China and the US in the next decade. It might make sense to bring back the Spark EV now that battery costs have dropped so much.
     
  7. Cypress

    Cypress Active Member

    Would make sense for them to bring back the Spark EV name as a clean slate EV design.
     
  8. jim

    jim Active Member

    I did . I have bought two of them. They are still a best buy. I get over 90 mile range even after they are 3-4 years old.
    They also DC Fast Charge faster and better than any EV. But I have been just using a 120 cord. I've been driving over 60 miles each day round trip for jury duty. I usually have 50 miles left after the round trip each day.
     
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  9. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    Just looked them up on Cars.com. There are 93 used examples listed for sale right now, with prices mostly $8,xxx and up. A little more expensive than the LEAF, I believe, despite being a smaller car. This, I believe, speaks to their perceived value.

    I've driven the Fiat 500e, which I found to be pretty fun, and I prefer the looks of that car. However, I think the Spark EV is more reliable, which is more important. I imagine it has to offer a similar driving experience as the Fiat.
     
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  10. WadeTyhon

    WadeTyhon Well-Known Member

    I haven't driven a Fiat 500e, but I hear it's a pretty fun car to drive. Even smaller than the Spark EV though. Both cars are "cute". But neither is a looker.

    Overall I feel that the Spark was the best non-Tesla BEV of the first new generation of EVs. :) Not surprised that it is holding it's value better than the Gen 1 Leaf and 500e. It was a great car that I loved driving.
     
  11. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    It's funny. My wife would be fine with me buying the 500e, because it's cute. She already nixed the iMiEV because, to her, it's too small. o_O
    I suspect she'd also say the Spark EV is too small. But if I somehow got my hands on a Nissan Pao, she'd be fine with it, because cute.
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  12. jim

    jim Active Member

    The Fiat 500e is very good and similar in handling to the SPARK EV. It also has Liquid cooled batteries and is very reliable. One BIG difference is the 500e Doesn't have a Fast Charge Port.
     
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  13. Domenick

    Domenick Administrator Staff Member

    I used to follow a Fiat 500e group on Google+, and there were a lot of reports of problems. I know it's hard to judge reliability from that, but I suspect the Spark EV would be more reliable.
     
  14. jim

    jim Active Member

    Yes I've also heard of problems from Fiat 500e owners in the,area.
    I was going to get one as I love to test and compare,all electrics but I also see they only have 2 doors while the Spark ev has 4. That along with the lack of a,fast charge port will make it awkward to buy and test one but I'm check some for,sale in our,area now. A good point is the 500e charges,at 6 kw over the spark ev at 3 kw.
     
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