Clarity PHEV Trip MPG

Discussion in 'Clarity' started by Viking79, Jul 2, 2018.

  1. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    I am constantly blown away with how efficient the Clarity is. My wife took it on a 600 mile round trip to Omaha this past week, starting with a full charge. She only used 13.2 gallons of gas. Most of the driving was at around 77 mph (indicated by car). Assuming about 50 EV miles that is almost 42 mpg. Again, at 77 mph.

    For comparison, I drove my i3 Rex this past weekend 180 miles on a full charge and 3.3 gallons of gas at about 60 to 65 mph. Assuming 70 miles on electric that is only 33 mpg at much lower speeds. The air drag is a lot worse on the i3, so higher speeds will lower it, but 65 is slow enough not to be terrible, and the fact the Clarity was averaging so much faster and still doing better speaks volumes to how thermally efficient that engine is.

    I really want to know what the Cd is for the Clarity as well, maybe better than I think to get that kind of mileage.
     
  2. Carro con enchufe

    Carro con enchufe Active Member

    The more I drive and enjoy my clarity the more I’m glad I didn’t get stuck with an i3 :)
     
  3. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    The i3 is a great car too, but not good for highway driving (it does fine, but the Clarity is much better for that). The small size of the i3 is ideal in urban environments, I can do a U turn on most streets, etc. If I could only have one it would be the Clarity though for practicality, and we need 5 seats.
     
  4. PHEV Newbie

    PHEV Newbie Well-Known Member

    42 mpg is really impressive at 77 mph, running the A/C I assume given the current heat wave. Car and Driver measured 46 mpg for the Clarity at 75 mph in HV and only 37 mpg for the Volt on the same loop. I had a similar experience on a road trip. At 60-65 mph, I got 48 mpg in the Spring w/o running heating/air cond (in HV mode with no change of EV range for a couple of tank fulls). The Clarity can be forgiven if its hybrid mode wasn't so efficient given its excellent EV range (making the car quite heavy compared to normal hybrids) but it is really impressive in the real world. With its incentives, its the best automotive bargain out there yet so few people know that (the Clarities have been languishing on my local dealer's lot while the Accord Hybrids are sold as soon as they arrive).

    I'll bet the drag coefficient is super low. Honda spent a lot of money on aerodynamics beyond the obvious aero shape (air vents to reduce turbulence for all four wheels, rear wheel skirts, smooth underbody cladding, extra seals for windows and doors, windshield wiper design, little rear window for visibility to compensate for max aerodynamic shape, aero wheel covers). Each of those things do very little individually but add up. If you put the same drive system in a CR-V, the EV range and HV mpg would be far worse at highway speeds.
     
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  5. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    Yes, climate was on. It really is impressive. I was surprised (and not, owning one) by the good results in CandD report as well, especially how the Clarity almost matched one of the class leaders, the Prius, on that loop. It is just mind boggling how a 4000 lb midsize car can do so well. Usually cars get much worse than EPA at 77 mph. My Nissan Juke once got 21 mpg for a tiny car at about 80 mph, highway EPA was 30 mpg, never got close to that unless driving 60 mph, usually was getting 24 mpg (only slightly better than my old minivan got at the same speeds).
     
  6. Steven B

    Steven B Active Member

    And as you empty the battery of electrons, the car gets lighter and fuel economy gets even better. ;)
     
  7. megreyhair

    megreyhair Active Member

    I bet we can get a few extra miles on highway if honda got rid of the side mirrors and replaced them with tiny cameras. I am sure those 2 mirrors add a lot to drag.
     
  8. jdonalds

    jdonalds Well-Known Member

    We too got 44 mpg on a 1,200 mile trip mostly at about 74mph. Mix that with several weeks of around town EV only driving and the mileage is really good.
     
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  9. dstrauss

    dstrauss Well-Known Member

    Mine was hit or miss this past weekend in the Texas hill country. 70-75 mph (with some 65 mph construction thrown in) - hotter than two suns (well, 100+ anyway, with AC on whole time). On the four legs of approximately 130 miles each, we got 40, 35, 41, 43 mpg on odometer miles/actual refill. The 35 is a real mystery, but overall just under 40 mpg. Granted, there is a lot more hilly driving than out here in the West Texas desert, but I guess that is fairly close to EPA - I was just hoping for at least low to mid 40's.

    Just a wilder driver than @jdonalds...;)

    Actually, I shouldn't be whining since 75 mph was the majority, and I'm sure the EPA does not drive full throttle on the highway miles test...:)
     
  10. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    I got 35 mpg once in winter at highway speeds too. I wonder if that is if it can't run atkinson cycle or something? They use VTEC to run in Atkinson mode so it can go in and out of that as necessary, as I understand it. It seems a dramatic drop, and same thing I saw, leading me to believe it would do just ok on the highway.
     
  11. kcsunshine

    kcsunshine Active Member

    How do you get the mpg of individual legs of a trip?
     
  12. PHEV Newbie

    PHEV Newbie Well-Known Member

    I reset the trip odometer every time I fill up and I do the double-click method to make sure my tank is actually full. Then I calculate my mileage from actual miles driven and the amount of gasoline dispensed from the pump. I can't rule out some inaccuracy with pumps but even so, it's far more likely to register more fuel pumped (vis-a-vis more money for them) than less. From multiple reviews I've read (and my previous cars), the mpg postings in most cars are pretty inaccurate.
     
  13. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Bummer! Any photos?

    Bob Wilson
     
  14. Viking79

    Viking79 Well-Known Member

    Bummer about the hail, it gets nasty along the Rockies. Glad to hear the car did well otherwise.
     
  15. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member

    Why don't I see GentLarry's post in this thread?

    For 19 years I've been carrying around the thickest car cover I could find to would protect my gen 1 Insight's aluminum and plastic body from hail. I doubt it would work when the hail reaches baseball size, however.
     
  16. V8Power

    V8Power Active Member

    Just got our car and driving in Econ mode electric only so far for a few days commuting. It's showing a crazy number of 0.5 l/100km = 470 mpg after its first 140km! Is this even possible?
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  17. Tangible

    Tangible Member

    Well, let’s see....Each electron weighs 9.109×10-31 kg. The universe is about 13 billion years old. So if you started driving your Clarity just after the Big Bang (allowing a few days for dealer prep) it looks like you should start seeing a measurable effect just before the sun becomes a white dwarf. Please post back here then with your findings.
     
  18. Steven B

    Steven B Active Member

    It was there yesterday around 2pm. Deleted for some reason.
     
  19. Steven B

    Steven B Active Member

    Those are some shocking facts.
     
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  20. V8Power

    V8Power Active Member

    Just figured out the fuel efficiency indicator only considers gas consumption and excludes electric consumption. When driving on econ full electric it shows 0 L/100km per pure electric trip (infinite MPG).
     

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